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CHAPTER VII--THE GOLDEN AGE OF GREECE: SOCRATES

(We are asked to think dialectically--why?)

I. The letter and the UN postmark--HILDE'S father? The novel continues to provide clues to a mosaic that is yet incomplete. Will it ever be?

II. A LETTER FROM ALBERTO KNOX (p. 59) mentions the red scarf also admonishes that he will be sending a messenger with future lessons since delivering them in person might prove too risky? Why? As a hint, watch for the phrase "CLOSING IN" later in the novel.

A. HOW DID THE SCARF COME TO BE UNDER SOPHIE'S BED? IS MORE THAN ONE PUPIL INVOLVED (P. 60)?

B. puzzle:

III. WHAT ARE THE SOCRATIC IDEAS INVOLVED THAT INVITE PARADOX. SEE PAGE 61. WHO IS MOST WISE? OBSERVE AGAIN SOPHIE HAS A FONDNESS FOR THE 'C' WORD.

JOHN STUART MILL BELIEVED THAT A POEM IS LIKE A SOLILOQUY AND HERE, ALTHOUGH IN PROSE, SOPHIE'S REFLECTIONS ARE INDEED POETIC; PERHAPS EVEN EMBYRONIC OF HAMLET, SOPHIE KNOWS THERE IS MORE IN HEAVEN AND EARTH THAN....:

  1. She rejects those who pretend to know.
  2. She knows that learning does not occur without the learner's active participation in the process (the pedagogical motif noted earlier).
  3. Sophie wonders if one knowing the good is both a necessary and sufficient condition for doing good. Maybe she will need another classical philosopher's advice.
  4. We will see if she is correct (p. 62) when noting that the new messenger (HERMES) will never be able to lead her to the teacher.
  5. Notice how Sophie's observations correlate with...

IV. THE WISDOM OF SOCRATES:

A. MODESTY IS A NECESSARY CONDITION FOR WISDOM?

B. IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE

C. INSIGHT COMES FROM WITHIN

D. KNOWING AND DOING: “DOES AN IS IMPLY AN OUGHT?" THIS IDEA WILL OCCUR AGAIN MUCH LATER IN THE NOVEL.”

V. THE ARRIVAL OF THE BIG BROWN ENVELOPE FROM THE DOG HERMES BRINGS NEWS OF SOCRATES, PLATO, AND ARISTOTLE

A. HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE SOCRATES' PHYSICAL APPEARANCE (P. 65) CONTRIBUTED TO THE GROWTH OF PHILOSOPHY? CENTURIES LATER, SHAKESPEARE LIKEWISE UNDERSTOOD IN THE MERCHANT OF VENICE.

B. DEMOCRACY / SOPHISTS / PRAGMATISTS--SOPHIE WILL FIND HER ASSUMPTIONS CHALLENGED AS THE NOVEL PROGRESSES, AND SHE WILL NEED SOCRATES, PLATO AND ARISTOTLE TO SHOW HER HOW TO THINK DIALECTICALLY.

C. ‘MAN IS THE MEASURE OF ALL THINGS’--CAN THIS LEAD TO HUBRIS?

D. SOPHOCLES REBUTS TO MORAL RELATIVISM


VI. SOCRATES:

A. SOCRATES WAS BOTH A HISTORICAL FIGURE AND A LITERARY PERSONA IN THE DIALOGUES OF PLATO FROM WHOSE INTERACTION WITH THE SOPHISTS SOCRATIC IRONY DERIVES.

B. ART OF DISCOURSE

TEXT FOR THE CAVE ALLEGORY:

TEXT FOR THE DIVIDED LINE:

SOCRATES:

You have to imagine, then, that there are two ruling powers, and that one of them is set over the intellectual world, the other over the visible... May I suppose that you have this distinction of the visible and intelligible fixed in your mind?
I have.
Now take a line which has been cut into two unequal parts, and divide each of them again in the same proportion, and suppose the two main divisions to answer, one to the visible and the other to the intelligible, and then compare the subdivisions in respect of their clearness and want of clearness, and you will find that the first section in the sphere of the visible consists of images. And by images I mean, in the first place, shadows, and in the second place, reflections in water and in solid, smooth and polished bodies and the like: Do you understand?
Yes, I understand.
Imagine, now, the other section, of which this is only the resemblance, to include the animals which we see, and everything that grows or is made.
Very good.
Would you not admit that both the sections of this division have different degrees of truth, and that the copy is to the original as the sphere of opinion is to the sphere of knowledge?
Most undoubtedly.
Next proceed to consider the manner in which the sphere of the
intellectual is to be divided.
In what manner?
Thus: --There are two subdivisions, in the lower or which the soul uses the figures given by the former division as images; the enquiry can only be hypothetical, and instead of going upwards to a principle descends to the other end; in the higher of the two, the soul passes out of hypotheses, and goes up to a principle which is above hypotheses, making no use of images as in the former case, but proceeding only in and through the ideas themselves.
I do not quite understand your meaning, he said.
Then I will try again; you will understand me better when I have made some preliminary remarks. You are aware that students of geometry, arithmetic, and the kindred sciences assume the odd and the even and the figures and three kinds of angles and the like in their several branches of science; these are their hypotheses, which they and everybody are supposed to know, and therefore they do not deign to give any account of them either to themselves or others; but they begin with them, and go on until they arrive at last, and in a consistent manner, at their conclusion?
Yes, he said, I know.
And do you not know also that although they make use of the visible forms and reason about them, they are thinking not of these, but of the ideals which they resemble; not of the figures which they draw, but of the absolute square and the absolute diameter, and so on --the forms which they draw or make, and which have shadows and reflections in water of their own, are converted by them into images, but they are really seeking to behold the things themselves, which can only be seen with the eye of the mind?
That is true.
And of this kind I spoke as the intelligible, although in the search after it the soul is compelled to use hypotheses; not ascending to a first principle, because she is unable to rise above the region of hypothesis, but employing the objects of which the shadows below are resemblances in their turn as images, they having in relation to the shadows and reflections of them a greater distinctness, and therefore a higher value.
I understand, he said, that you are speaking of the province of geometry and the sister arts. And when I speak of the other division of the intelligible, you will understand me to speak of that other sort of knowledge which reason herself attains by the power of dialectic, using the hypotheses not as first principles, but only as hypotheses --that is to say, as steps and points of departure into a world which is above hypotheses, in order that she may soar beyond them to the first principle of the whole; and clinging to this and then to that which depends on this, by successive steps she descends again without the aid of any sensible object, from ideas, through ideas, and in ideas she ends.
I understand you, he replied; not perfectly, for you seem to me to be describing a task which is really tremendous; but, at any rate, I understand you to say that knowledge and being, which the science of dialectic contemplates, are clearer than the notions of the arts, as they are termed, which proceed from hypotheses only: these are also contemplated by the understanding, and not by the senses: yet, because they start from hypotheses and do not ascend to a principle, those who contemplate them appear to you not to exercise the higher reason upon them, although when a first principle is added to them they are cognizable by the higher reason. And the habit which is concerned with geometry and the cognate sciences I suppose that you would term understanding and not reason, as being intermediate between opinion and reason.
You have quite conceived my meaning, I said; and now, corresponding to these four divisions, let there be four faculties in the soul-reason answering to the highest, understanding to the second, faith (or conviction) to the third, and perception of shadows to the last-and let there be a scale of them, and let us suppose that the several faculties have clearness in the same degree that their objects have truth.
I understand, he replied, and give my assent, and accept your
arrangement.

DIAGRAM OF THE SOUL AND THE STATE:

3. THE 'FORM' OF THE GOOD:

SOCRATES: ...for you have been told that the idea of good is the highest knowledge, and that all other things become useful and advantageous only by their use of this. You can hardly be ignorant that of this I was about to speak, concerning which, as you have often heard me say, we know so little; and, without which, any other knowledge or possession of any kind will profit us nothing. Do you think that the possession of all other things is of any value if we do not possess the good? or the knowledge of all other things if we have no knowledge of beauty and goodness?
Assuredly not.
You are further aware that most people affirm pleasure to be the good, but the finer sort of wits say it is knowledge
Yes.
And you are aware too that the latter cannot explain what they mean by knowledge, but are obliged after all to say knowledge of the good?
How ridiculous!
Yes, I said, that they should begin by reproaching us with our ignorance of the good, and then presume our knowledge of it --for the good they define to be knowledge of the good, just as if we understood them when they use the term 'good' --this is of course ridiculous.
Most true, he said.
And those who make pleasure their good are in equal perplexity; for they are compelled to admit that there are bad pleasures as well as good.
Certainly.
And therefore to acknowledge that bad and good are the same?
True.

C. GADFLY--PRETEND TO BE IGNORANT THE ASKING OF QUESTIONS.

AFTER MULTIPLE READINGS OF PLATO, ONE BEGINS TO ASCERTAIN THE FULL MEASURE OF SOCRATIC IRONY. NOTE THAT PLATO, AS DID HIS IMITATOR SWIFT, CREATED A LITERARY PERSONA, SOCRATES, AS THE CENTRAL CHARACTER IN THE DIALOGUES. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT PLATO KNOWS AND WHAT THE PERSON REPORTS MAKES THE IRONY SUBTLE AND DEVASTATING. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE DOES SOCRATES USE TO DESCRIBE THE MOST SUBLIME PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPTS? WHY? WHAT DOES PLATO KNOW?

WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES?


D. 339 BC CORRUPTION OF YOUTH AND THE FAMOUS APOLOGY (background essay)

E. Click here for Jowett's translation of the text of the Apology

VII. WHY DID SOCRATES AND JESUS HAVE TO DIE?

VIII. A JOKER IN ATHENS:

A. WHAT DOES JOKER MEAN? (P. 68)

B. HOW DID SOCRATES MOST AROUSE THE IRE OF THE SOPHISTS?

A. SOCRATES ‘...CALLED PHILOSOPHY DOWN FROM THE SKY...INTO OUR HOMES...’ (P. 68)

B. SOPHIST IS THE ‘KNOW-IT-ALL’ VS. THE PHILOSOPHER WHO ADMITS IGNORANCE. STUDY PAGES 68-69 CAREFULLY WHILE READING THE PRIMARY SOURCES. WHAT IS A REAL PHILOSOPHER?

C. THE CHILD IS THE PHILOSOPHER KING BECAUSE HE/SHE IS NOT AFRAID TO _ _ _.

D. PEOPLE ARE DEAD OR INDIFFERENT--BURIED DEEP IN THE FUR OF THE RABBIT...

E. WISDOM BEGINS WITH IGNORANCE....

IX. ELEMENTS OF SOCRATIC PHILOSOPHY:

A. KNOWING THE GOOD AND DOING IT....

B. CAN YOU DO WRONG AND BE HAPPY


X. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SCHOOLTEACHER AND PHILOSOPHER ACCORDING TO SOPHIE ON PAGE 71? IS SHE CORRECT?


A. HOW DOES SOPHIE TALK TO HER MOTHER? WHAT IS HER RESPONSE? (P. 72) ARE YOU SURPRISED? WHAT DID SOCRATES WARN AGAINST, AND PERHAPS IS SOPHIE GUILTY. PLATO DISCUSSES THE MATTER IN THE REPUBLIC.

B. WHAT IS THE SOCRATIC PARALLEL?

C. THE CHAPTER ENDS WITH ANOTHER REFERENCE TO THE RED SCARF?

D. WE WILL HAVE TO DISCOVER WHO THE JOKER IS THE NOVEL.


SUGGESTED READINGS

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